QUOTE(Dorsteinn @ Oct 5 2008, 04:30 PM) [snapback]452828[/snapback]No not really off topic. It's been discussed a number of times.

not in this thread as far as I can see, and definately not to an extent that prompted a pissed off response!

Well you didn't read what I quoted then. I still haven't seen the DVD as there were no special editions where I bought my album.

haha sorry dude, thought youd quoted me! Im running on empty right now, lol.
I humbly apologise and bow down to thee, oh powerful Dustin
and I still havent received my copy, teaches me to not order from Roadrunner doesnt it

Yea you're better off going out and picking it up but then you could get stuck like me and not have a SE anywhere around.

yeah man, I normally pre-order stuff and get it on the release day no probs, and I didnt know when id be able to get out
though as it is I went out on wednesday, and they had the se everywhere
so nearly bought it, but i figured Id give RR the benefit and wait a bit longer
ah well

The Chef they had is FIT!

I wouldn't have commented on the length of Shogun if it wern't for every single bit of press i've heard about the album commenting on the 13 minute long song. They did the same thing with The Crusade song last album. Doesn't bother me, i just thought i'd mention it, its hardly something to get "pissed off" about lol. Either way, relax. *thumbs up*

QUOTE(Ember_To_Ashes @ Oct 4 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]452760[/snapback]Here Is My review / quide, Of the DVD that came with the special edition of the album. first off, the basics...
Dvd starts with a riff from the song Shogun and repeats about 15 seconds of it over and over, There are 2 options to choose from,
"The Making Of Shogun" and "Shogun - The Riffs"
MAKING OF: 52:56
I was abit dissapointed by the opening as i it was basically episode 1 of the making of vids from online, and i thought it was going to continue like this throughout the whole thing, thankfully i was wrong. A Better introduction to the making of would have been an interview with the band talking about the begginning of the album and the roots from which is was born. But they do this to an extent by saying they are making the album in Nashville. Although im not quite sure how geographical location alters the studio and sound but yeh. The band appears to like Nashville alot But the making of has a light intro about the band talking about the country song they made called "my dog" its pretty funny lol.
After 5:15 the true begginning of the making of, its much like Episode 2 of the making of vignettes.
After 7 minutes we start with trakcing drums, travis talking about how he wants to keep peoples heads banging ect. Its less a "making of" and more like a travis interview. drums took 6 days on this album, the crusade took 2.5 days and ascendenacy was 4 days. He does a good british accent on one clip lol. the only clip of a making of part is from the intro to insurrection. Drummer of the night =)
12 minutes in and Paulo tells us how to make an english muffin =) random! Now the guitars start. The start with Into The Mouth of Hell first, they need to get the whole song done for the Madden game. but this is quickly interupted by the vocals, which sound awesome btw matt =) He talks about having to hold his stomach in to achieve a better sound. He talks about how he likes Rob Flyn vocals. He says he doesnt do the screams live anymore but both corey and paulo want him to.. hence why he is in some live vids =) Matt has really good super clean vocals in these clips. Most notably in Shogun. (best song by far) Imo they should have alot more acousitcal moments with clean vocals in the songs. 23 minutes and we're still in the song SHOGUN, they keep talking about it being a 13 minute song but its actually 11:21? so... oki then. Still the best song on the album and trivium shouldnt be scared to do more songs like this on the next album. Which im guessing will be self titled.
24 minutes in we start talking about Coreys solos and how particular he is about them.
31 minutes and a very odd moment happens. Matt tells us how he never thought that chorus' have the titles of the songs in them =S wtf? its the most obvious thing ever and apparantly he's only jsut realised it. makes him seem a lil dumb but i know he's not he's just thinking about songs in a different way
33 minutes in and the band , or mainly travis has a hissy fit over having to record more drums. boo-hoo seems very silly and the making of going into a soap opera like moment (35 minutes) with orchestral "sad" music playing with the band talking about how hard it is for them out here... o.O kay then...
37 minutes in and they are discussing b-sides (i can understand why they arnt on the album they are no where near as good and dont fit in. just my opinion, i know many of u love the "death metal" vocals matt does. its impressive but its no Michael Akerfeldt.
43 minutes in and we are looking at Throes Of Perdition and paulo came up with the intro and apparantly recorded it on the album? but then we see corey doing it so im unsure.
46 minutes in and nymphomaniac paulo shows us his collages of cock and butt hole faces lol. random
50 minutes in we are doing solos and talking about how well the album came out. i agree for the most part.
The End
Closing thoughts.... i would have prefered a more structured documentary, where an idea for the album, finding a studio, setting up, reheasing, recording, day by day, everything then mixing, artwork, photoshoots, mastering ect... but its a pretty good dvd.
8/10
SHOGUN - THE RIFFS
2 parts, corey and matt, and then paulo.
coreys part is very good and matt often makes some mistakes, perhaps this part of the dvd was rushed but it is none the less a pretty cool feature =)
7/10
Closing thoughts, awesome album, and a nice dvd package, but could have been better. the best part is watching matts vocals i think. i'd rate Opeths dvd "making of deliverance and damnation" the best ive seen and the God Forbid one from special edition of Constitution of treason is a little better.
I hope the next trivium album has about 8-10 songs.. but with an instrumental again (15 minutes)!!! and 2 songs like Shogun, long (over 10 mins each) and with each normal song including heavy and mellow parts and being no shorter than 6 minutes... e.g
Album 5: Self Titled
1. Long Intro Into Heavy Song - 8 mins
2. Heavy Song - 6 mins
3. Epic Prog Song 1 - 12 mins
4. Heavy Song - 6 mins
5. Mellow / Heavy Song - 7 mins
6. Epic Prog Song 2 - 12 mins
7. Mellow / Heavy Song - 7 mins
8. Instrumental - 15 mins
73 mins total

damn motherfucker.you have alot of time on ypur hands...ALOT

Did anyone else catch the technically 4th bonus track on the DVD? 3 different clips of the song were played between like 33 and 36 minutes or something like that. One of the lyrics I believe is said "all on your crusade!" and then the 2 other clips were screaming parts. The screaming parts of that song was played in the first 3 seconds of all 3 of the webisodes Trivium put out on youtube. I'm guessing that was a demo that got cut from the album. It sounds pretty badass and I hope later on Trivium will release it someway.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I also noticed it. It was good shit