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QUOTE(South of Heaven @ Sep 10 2008, 01:19 PM) [snapback]449279[/snapback]lol I think youre vastly over-analysing/rating it. if someone doesnt like a solo and thinks it lacks feeling and just sounds too technical, theyre not wrong. im a musician and i too am dissapointed by the dodgy solos. If the solos were up to the standard of the songs i think these two would be real masterpieces
i just think your post is a little bit stretchy tbh. i'll write a description of the raining blood solo:
Before the solo starts theres a massive, strong wall of menacing guitars, waiting to be broken free. The solo symbolizes freedom and the sudden outbust resembles desperation. The off-key notes go up and down the fret-board menacingly, creating imagery; chaos and destruction. It relates heavily to the song itself, as if the solo is the raining blood. As the solo progresses the rhythm accompyaning it changes key and rapidly moves in and out not outstaying it's welcome. As the solo climaxes, the drums start to slow but the solo keeps going, as if it's in pain. I imagine the solo as fire and it suddenly just stops. Symbolizing an apocalypse.
Well I wasn't shoving words down anyone's mouth, I was merely expressing my thoughts on the songs by showing relations of the solos and the lyrics... I mean, if you love slayer, I'm not going to tell you that you are overrating them... Also, I would hardly classify that as a solo... Just like Metallicas "For Whom The Bell Tolls".... Nothing more then a simple background noise...

i know you werent shoving words down anyones mouth. I just thought your post was a bit of a stretch. the way you described it amused me. but ah well, it doesnt matter as long its Trivium. It's awesome that you love them so much.

QUOTE(South of Heaven @ Sep 10 2008, 03:23 PM) [snapback]449317[/snapback]i know you werent shoving words down anyones mouth. I just thought your post was a bit of a stretch. the way you described it amused me. but ah well, it doesnt matter as long its Trivium. It's awesome that you love them so much.
Which solo description? I mean, for any solo I have ever heard from any band, I can write longer descriptions if one would like, if I don't feel I made the point clear enough. Also, would you think the march down the throat of hell would be peaceful and serene? I think it would be a maze of technicality, just trying to keep on your feet. Push shove grab slash fall repeat, it sounds pretty close to describing that feeling to me... To be honest, I think most of Trivium's solos aren't just pure shred, I can actually feel the soul of the songs meaning inscribed into my skull when they're playing... ESPECIALLY from the song, "And Sadness Will Sear"... That solo is touching... Not saying any other band today doesn't write touching solos, but this one always gets me... Same with many solos from many bands... I love music man.

The solos from all the songs are great, but in particular i like the one from Into the Mouth of Hell..
You hear everything stop but just this one chugging guitar riff and you just know some crazy shit is about to happen. All of a sudden, these descending high notes just come at you like crazy.. it's just insane.
That, and the solo from Down From the Sky sounds like the goddamn apocalypse. Love it.

QUOTE(Elliot @ Aug 20 2008, 08:00 AM) [snapback]446551[/snapback]Let's hope your nick doesn't become a reality eh.

QUOTE(South of Heaven @ Sep 10 2008, 08:19 PM) [snapback]449279[/snapback]lol I think youre vastly over-analysing/rating it. if someone doesnt like a solo and thinks it lacks feeling and just sounds too technical, theyre not wrong. im a musician and i too am dissapointed by the dodgy solos. If the solos were up to the standard of the songs i think these two would be real masterpieces
i just think your post is a little bit stretchy tbh. i'll write a description of the raining blood solo:
Before the solo starts theres a massive, strong wall of menacing guitars, waiting to be broken free. The solo symbolizes freedom and the sudden outbust resembles desperation. The off-key notes go up and down the fret-board menacingly, creating imagery; chaos and destruction. It relates heavily to the song itself, as if the solo is the raining blood. As the solo progresses the rhythm accompyaning it changes key and rapidly moves in and out not outstaying it's welcome. As the solo climaxes, the drums start to slow but the solo keeps going, as if it's in pain. I imagine the solo as fire and it suddenly just stops. Symbolizing an apocalypse.
Oi mate, i can describe the Raining Blood solo too...


...Absolute shite.
Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman, the two worst solo writers of all time, if they ever wrote their solo's that is, as apposed to just mindlessly shredding.

Keep Slayer out of it, they've got nothing to do with the solos on Shogun.. Raining Blood shouldn't have even been mentioned in the first place.

QUOTE(m1tsu @ Aug 13 2008, 09:25 PM) [snapback]445890[/snapback]I feel these 2 solo's are very well thought out and brilliant from not only a musicians stand point but that of an artist. I look at all solo's and how they create a vibe the story of the song is trying to portray through musical imagery.
Kirisute Gomen - Corey's solo's usually lack feeling, but in this solo the way he builds up the emotion with drums rhythm is just astonishing. The way they have the switch goes from Corey's build up, then a whammy dive, while Matt's intro to his solo is a depressed whammy with tremolo picking and wah with the release... Just brilliant! You get the sound of a plane diving down for the kill, THEN Matt's solo starts, the way he's starting to solo, is almost like painting out a beautiful story in your head. Just listen to the way the backing riff's rhythm changes up, and you'll understand just how good they are getting as musicians. Then when he build's up to the same build up riff Corey's build up was, Matt backs off so that it doesn't over build up so the climax riff + solo can give you the blending of transitions. Looking at the story and atmosphere of this song, the solo fit's PERFECT, nothing else would have made sense. To me, the song is about taking the head of the music industry and putting yourself in complete control, by not being lead to be what everyone wants them to be. I say it fit's well.
Into the Mouth of Hell We March - Imagine crashing onto the beaches of hell and then you're pushed down by a storm of hellions and other failures of life, marching down the throat of hell. Legions of hells minions pushing and slashing at you with their weaponry, forcing you down the spiral of death alongside thousands of others. That's what I see while listening to the solo. I love how artistic they are getting with their imagery, through both the sense of music and poetry.
Do you realize how silly you sound?
lets say the song wasn't called "Into the Mouth of hell we march" and it was only the solo section (as in no lyrics, just the solo bit). would you still get the same feeling from it? No, no you wouldn't. the only reason you come to that conclusion on the solo is because you have the predetermined knowledge of the song by it's title and lyrics. you could put 90% of heavy metal solo's in there and imply that it has been written for that idea of "Crashing onto the beaches of hell..." Hell, the down from the sky solo could be put in there and i'm sure you would come up with the same explanation as to what it means.
The guitar in this case signifies very little other than being there for the purpose of having a solo in the song. It isn't to try and further the story the song is trying to tell, its there because it sounds cool, it MAY bare a little relevance to the songs meaning but not so much as you can reel off long paragraphs about it. I love trivium and there guitar work but your going way too far with this idea of story telling. Very few guitarists can really tell a "story" with the guitar. Fank Zappa used to do it well but then he did it to further the ideas bought about by the lyrics (e.g. using sounds at the end of lines to descirbe what he's singing about) he didn't try to compliment the lyrics with long solo's which would give insight into the story, because you can't. You can bring about basic emotions through the guitar by using different scales however nothing so specific. (Satriani is probably the best for real emotion in his guitar work, he knows when to speed up and when to give a relaxing riff and what scales he should be using to bring about the feeling that he wants to)

QUOTE(gremlin @ Sep 11 2008, 07:16 AM) [snapback]449432[/snapback]Do you realize how silly you sound?
lets say the song wasn't called "Into the Mouth of hell we march" and it was only the solo section (as in no lyrics, just the solo bit). would you still get the same feeling from it? No, no you wouldn't. the only reason you come to that conclusion on the solo is because you have the predetermined knowledge of the song by it's title and lyrics. you could put 90% of heavy metal solo's in there and imply that it has been written for that idea of "Crashing onto the beaches of hell..." Hell, the down from the sky solo could be put in there and i'm sure you would come up with the same explanation as to what it means.
The guitar in this case signifies very little other than being there for the purpose of having a solo in the song. It isn't to try and further the story the song is trying to tell, its there because it sounds cool, it MAY bare a little relevance to the songs meaning but not so much as you can reel off long paragraphs about it. I love trivium and there guitar work but your going way too far with this idea of story telling. Very few guitarists can really tell a "story" with the guitar. Fank Zappa used to do it well but then he did it to further the ideas bought about by the lyrics (e.g. using sounds at the end of lines to descirbe what he's singing about) he didn't try to compliment the lyrics with long solo's which would give insight into the story, because you can't. You can bring about basic emotions through the guitar by using different scales however nothing so specific. (Satriani is probably the best for real emotion in his guitar work, he knows when to speed up and when to give a relaxing riff and what scales he should be using to bring about the feeling that he wants to)
First I would like to thank you, for signing up just to bash my opinion. *applaud* Also I don't think you listen to as much music as you lead onto, if you don't find some sort of feeling of the same nature that this solo is trying to tell you...
I think you over exaggerated what I wrote, and underestimate my ability to type something out on a short given notice... If you insist, I would, and could, write out a paragraph for each 10 notes hit in each scale of the solo, but I doubt you would want to read something so monstrous.. But I'll give a slightly better description of the solo and the song, since so many people don't like what I envision music to be...
If you could imagine going down the throat of hell (breaking out to be a successful band) what would you think it would be like? A wide path downhill? An elongated staircase? Or a spiral? I would think it would be a mixture of all three, mainly a spiral downwards into hell rather than just a ease down a crevice, sandy beach or a walk down a broad street... Given that, the first half of the solo depicts an image of being captivated, drug out and beaten around until you're flung into a gorge full of hellions marching down the spirals of hell... You can imagine them charging down the spiral, because since it's hell, when the F are you going to get a break for the things you've done right/wrong?
So you can imagine a security with huge demons either galloping around on horses are just running around stabbing, whipping or pushing making sure you're all running your ass off down to the bottom, whether you're atop of the river of beasts or being trampled into the ground made of more demons that are being trampled. Basically the first half shows you're frantically spiraling downwards... Nearing the second half (or 2/3rds through the solo before the long bends) of the solo you have a feeling of the "final lap" so to speak where you're slowly approaching this giant mastiff of a demon, the devil himself; he awaits atop his thrown ready to judge you. You are then tossed up off the river of demons and flop face first into the ground, you slowly get up and look forward, then up, then further up......
That's where the second half of the solo kicks in where you hear 8 slower bends, you're face to face with Satan/the devil/a record label/music industry/whatever you call him. He places his ultimate and eternal judgment upon you, and deems you a slave, then sends you off without letting you spit a single word in his direction. There after, you're shackled, thrown onto a river of demons, instead of being drug, you're stabbed over and over then tossed into your cell(somewhat similar to body surfing a crowd of people at a show, except they all have pitchforks and what not).
Now you see, for it is we, who walk the fire and breath. (this is their imprisonment/their image in the music industry)
Make your way out of the grave! And lick the blade from our blades. (if he can survive this [making shogun out to be the album that get's them onto the first step past underground] and get out then, this is what he'll be doing in the music industry, escaping the grasps of banishment and finally making a point out to all of the low life mainstream music goers by doing what he loves, writing music the way he wants to, not how someone else [music industry] makes him...)
This is just what "I" think the solo/song portrays, all summed up, it's a great song, and I love it. You can't say my feelings on this is wrong, because I'm not trying to say that's what the band thought out when they wrote this song, it's just what I feel as a person, what this song means to me and how I view the band...

Nice.