Its a song about the effects and consequences child abuse whether mentally or physically can have on a person.
That inner rage, that hatred it can generate inside someone. (I know this)
Trying too hard to be epic? No, its the most naturally epic song Matt Heafy has ever worked on and a very important song to me personally.
Im not saying people cant disagree on what songs are the best. But you're putting down a song which many find to be one of Trivium's best. We dont take too kindly towards negative comments towards the band around here. Blabbermouth is for that shit.
WALD is as geniune as any of those other songs you mentioned.

Signed.

Ok, thanks guys, i got it now, I was having a bad day haha. Anyway, Im not saying ETI is bad by any means, its just that I like Matts singing/screaming a lot better now. It was good when i first got into them, and i still enjoy listening to it, but its not my fav.

This album is a masterpiece. I consider The Calamity the weakest song yet even that is on par with The Crusade's best songs (Becoming the Dragon, Entrance and Detonation). The Crusade was great, just not quite on the level of the band's other works. Shogun is equal to Ascendancy in my eyes, though it can never rival the majesty of Ember to Inferno.
The title track, Throes of Perdition and Into The Mouth of Hell struck me as the finest songs - ITMOHWM for its amazing chorus, TOP is generally awesome and the riffs are some of the best Trivium have ever come up with, and Shogun... well, Shogun's greatness cannot be expressed in words. It is the soundtrack to birth, life, death, hope, sadness, despair and joy, a journey through the sonic perfection of Trivium's greatest works. Definitely the album's centrepiece and I am very pleased that it serves as a finale.
I give this album 9.5/10. It's the album Trivium needed to make, appealing to every part of their fanbase, treading into newer, heavier territory while retaining the earthshaking melodies and crushing heaviness of previous works, with injections of the 80s thrash riffery of The Crusade. This is an end to the time of criticisms and disappointment and a magnificent return to form. Kudos.

QUOTE(Nazgul @ Oct 11 2008, 08:58 PM) [snapback]453356[/snapback]I can't get Trivium fans who don't like Shogun, too.
Shogun is easily their best and most complex work.
complexity doesnt always equal good. i've listened to the album a few times more and nothing really grabs me. i can appreciate the complexity and the evolution in the sound from The Crusade but like i say, nothing grabs me as particularly fantastic. it sounds like they were trying to hard to get away from the crusade sound.
ETI and Ascendancy are still my favourites. the complexity is there on both of those albums as well as some solid songwriting and some devestatingly brutal lyrics, but the main kicker for me is that both albums have an effortless sound about them. The Crusade had a few good songs, but it sounded like too much effort went into making it sound more melodic and less screamy. Shogun by comparison sounds to me at least, very forced and in some places, very stilted. for example, the change between the verse and chorus bit of Kiruste Gomen jars to me. it doesnt sound as fluid as the previous stuff.
before anyone complains, i'm not flaming, i'm just giving my opinion, lol

QUOTE(JudasBlitzkrieg @ Oct 25 2008, 03:01 PM) [snapback]454438[/snapback]complexity doesnt always equal good. i've listened to the album a few times more and nothing really grabs me. i can appreciate the complexity and the evolution in the sound from The Crusade but like i say, nothing grabs me as particularly fantastic. it sounds like they were trying to hard to get away from the crusade sound.
ETI and Ascendancy are still my favourites. the complexity is there on both of those albums as well as some solid songwriting and some devestatingly brutal lyrics, but the main kicker for me is that both albums have an effortless sound about them. The Crusade had a few good songs, but it sounded like too much effort went into making it sound more melodic and less screamy. Shogun by comparison sounds to me at least, very forced and in some places, very stilted. for example, the change between the verse and chorus bit of Kiruste Gomen jars to me. it doesnt sound as fluid as the previous stuff.
before anyone complains, i'm not flaming, i'm just giving my opinion, lol
Ok, its really good that your favourites are ETI and Ascendancy, BUT, Shogun, dude he didnt mean that complexility (idk if its mispelled) made it good. I think he ment that the album is sick, and its complex which makes him likes Shogun more (correct me if im wrong please). I think they put a lot of effort in making Shogun. Matt sounds amazing with the screaming vocals, and the guitars, drums, and bass sound incredibly orgasmic (in my opinion ).

QUOTE(Megadethfan8 @ Oct 26 2008, 03:51 PM) [snapback]454501[/snapback]Ok, its really good that your favourites are ETI and Ascendancy, BUT, Shogun, dude he didnt mean that complexility (idk if its mispelled) made it good. I think he ment that the album is sick, and its complex which makes him likes Shogun more (correct me if im wrong please). I think they put a lot of effort in making Shogun. Matt sounds amazing with the screaming vocals, and the guitars, drums, and bass sound incredibly orgasmic (in my opinion ).
they did put a lot of effort into making SHogun, you can hear it, however, i do believe that it sounds like too much effort. for me, no matter how complex a song is, it should sound effortless. for example, take Dream Theater, they to random turnabouts, refrains and key/timing changes, but it all gels, none of it jars, everything flows into everything else with ease. then take Kiruste Gomen, like i say, the sudden change in sounds is very jarring to me and makes me think that in the writing process, they were writing to be complex, not writing for fluidity.
i'm not trying to slate or get into an argument, but these are my thoughts on the album

I see exactly where you're coming from blitzkreig . Dont 100% agree with you , but definitly understand where your coming from, with the KG comment, yes i agree that it doesnt seem to gel, it kinda sounds like a different song, that was actually one of the only complaints i had about the album .
the other is with some of the lyrics, they just have something missing about them that was in ascendancy and even more in eti . dont get me wrong Shogun is one of my all tome fav cds. but there is little things that Judas mentioned, that i either in-part agree with or just see where he's coming from.

QUOTE(JudasBlitzkrieg @ Oct 26 2008, 02:17 PM) [snapback]454521[/snapback]they did put a lot of effort into making SHogun, you can hear it, however, i do believe that it sounds like too much effort. for me, no matter how complex a song is, it should sound effortless. for example, take Dream Theater, they to random turnabouts, refrains and key/timing changes, but it all gels, none of it jars, everything flows into everything else with ease. then take Kiruste Gomen, like i say, the sudden change in sounds is very jarring to me and makes me think that in the writing process, they were writing to be complex, not writing for fluidity.
i'm not trying to slate or get into an argument, but these are my thoughts on the album
Yea no argument, though, why would trivium overwork themselves on an album? they just want the best sounding to a level, and i think all shogun (album) flows naturally. i have no complains about it. i love playing into the mouth of hell with my band, its really badass!

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