QUOTE(Sirius)QUOTE(PAOLO)QUOTE(Sirius)It depends on what you mean by "technical".
I'm assuming you mean lots of various time changes, complicated riffs, and fast solos. In that case, The Crusade and Becoming the Dragon. Although I have a very different opinion of what "technical" music is and Trivium doesn't nearly come close to it.
I think your missing the point somewhat of the thread with half your comment, look at the title of it again.
Well, I guess, but what I meant is that he probably thought of technicality in one way, but in my opinion, a more technical example from the Crusade would be something like the chords in the chorus of Ignition and the outro acoustic bit: they are not extremely complex, but they are the most interesting to listen to. I'm not trying to say that you guys don't have any technical skills, but in comparison to composers like Chopin, those Ignition chords probably sound as close to 'technical' as the Crusade gets. I probably should have worded my post differently.
Your definition of technicality tickles me
Technicality is considered (by musical definition), not necessarily how difficult it is to play, but how intricate the playing is. How much the player utilizes different techniques such as sweep arpeggios and legato runs etc. Chords, in generall, have nearly nothing to do with technicality, quite simply because they don't require any technique to play.

QUOTE(Maximus)QUOTE(Sirius)QUOTE(PAOLO)QUOTE(Sirius)It depends on what you mean by "technical".
I'm assuming you mean lots of various time changes, complicated riffs, and fast solos. In that case, The Crusade and Becoming the Dragon. Although I have a very different opinion of what "technical" music is and Trivium doesn't nearly come close to it.
I think your missing the point somewhat of the thread with half your comment, look at the title of it again.
Well, I guess, but what I meant is that he probably thought of technicality in one way, but in my opinion, a more technical example from the Crusade would be something like the chords in the chorus of Ignition and the outro acoustic bit: they are not extremely complex, but they are the most interesting to listen to. I'm not trying to say that you guys don't have any technical skills, but in comparison to composers like Chopin, those Ignition chords probably sound as close to 'technical' as the Crusade gets. I probably should have worded my post differently.
Your definition of technicality tickles me
Technicality is considered (by musical definition), not necessarily how difficult it is to play, but how intricate the playing is. How much the player utilizes different techniques such as sweep arpeggios and legato runs etc. Chords, in generall, have nearly nothing to do with technicality, quite simply because they don't require any technique to play.
You're talking about skill, and technical proeficiency. The question was what is the most technical song on the Crusade. And if you read my first post, I did give a definition on the terms that you probably consider technical. What I said about the Ignition chords was that they are the most interesting, or unexpected, chords to listen to. I didn't say anything about the chords requiring technique to play. Don't patronize me when you can't even properly read my post. I specifically said that they are not complex. In classical music, the REAL technical stuff is not how fast the trills are or how many notes the composer can cram into one measure, it's about how he can utilise the sounds of music to create something that is technically interesting to hear. And some of those chords are more difficult to play than the runs, at least on piano where you have to stretch and accomadate your hand to many different positions.

shutup and just answer what the friggin topic title asked.
And before some smartarse says anything.. ii've on listened to 2 tracks and disliked thme, so i wouldnt know.

QUOTE(Sirius)QUOTE(PAOLO)QUOTE(Sirius)It depends on what you mean by "technical".
I'm assuming you mean lots of various time changes, complicated riffs, and fast solos. In that case, The Crusade and Becoming the Dragon. Although I have a very different opinion of what "technical" music is and Trivium doesn't nearly come close to it.
I think your missing the point somewhat of the thread with half your comment, look at the title of it again.
Well, I guess, but what I meant is that he probably thought of technicality in one way, but in my opinion, a more technical example from the Crusade would be something like the chords in the chorus of Ignition and the outro acoustic bit: they are not extremely complex, but they are the most interesting to listen to. I'm not trying to say that you guys don't have any technical skills, but in comparison to composers like Chopin, those Ignition chords probably sound as close to 'technical' as the Crusade gets. I probably should have worded my post differently.
yeah
because-those-two-compositions-aren't-centuries-apart. :roll:
don't-compare-chopin-with-modern-music.
because-modern-music-doesn't-come-close

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You're talking about skill, and technical proeficiency. The question was what is the most technical song on the Crusade. And if you read my first post, I did give a definition on the terms that you probably consider technical. What I said about the Ignition chords was that they are the most interesting, or unexpected, chords to listen to. I didn't say anything about the chords requiring technique to play. Don't patronize me when you can't even properly read my post. I specifically said that they are not complex. In classical music, the REAL technical stuff is not how fast the trills are or how many notes the composer can cram into one measure, it's about how he can utilise the sounds of music to create something that is technically interesting to hear. And some of those chords are more difficult to play than the runs, at least on piano where you have to stretch and accomadate your hand to many different positions.
Wasn't patronizing, just giving you a working definition of modern musical technicality. Calm yourself, this is the internt.

QUOTE(Futures)shutup and just answer what the friggin topic title asked.
And before some smartarse says anything.. ii've on listened to 2 tracks and disliked thme, so i wouldnt know.
Rofl, I like how you tell someone to shut up and answer the question, then don't answer it yourself. Maybe you shouldn't have replied if you didn't have an answer or opinion on the thread topic. Maybe try not judging an entire album on two tracks you've heard and listen to the rest before you decide you dislike it.

Why would i want to listen to all of it?
It's obvious that they've got a completely new style, one that i don't like.. so there's no point me listening to the rest of it.
Happy now?

QUOTE(Futures)Why would i want to listen to all of it?
It's obvious that they've got a completely new style, one that i don't like.. so there's no point me listening to the rest of it.
Happy now?
I'm curious as to why you would enter a forum of discussion pertaining only to an album you don't like.

So he could state his opinion.

Keep in mind this is a trivium forum, hate to be unwelcoming once in a great while but if you don't like them, you should know well enough to stop coming around. I think people who don't like the crusade, or have stupid negative b.s. to say (what futures posted was hardly even a matter of expressing an opinion it was more like a "hey guys I'm cool because I don't like new Trivium" post) should just do us all a favor and at least stay out of the section designated for the album.