QUOTE(Metallicat180 @ Sep 12 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]392901[/snapback]Exactly - for example look at Megadeth and Metallica in the mid 90's. They went "softer" and their album sales decreased rapidly.
'rapidly'? In Metallica's case, I don't think so.

tho you have to remember being a touring musician doesnt pay much
if a band wants more money to actually make a living out of wut they like doing
i wouldnt blame em for the sake of having a better life.

I dont necesarly mean selling out, but heres an example, Carcass were pretty much an unknown metal band to the world until Heartwork came out, obviously they already had their name out but the never got as big as they are today until they released a softer, more mainstream sounding album. Now im not saying a band has to start making softer music to get big, but it seems to be the situation with most bands these days.

QUOTE(Carnage @ Sep 12 2007, 09:56 PM) [snapback]392924[/snapback]I dont necesarly mean selling out, but heres an example, Carcass were pretty much an unknown metal band to the world until Heartwork came out, obviously they already had their name out but the never got as big as they are today until they released a softer, more mainstream sounding album. Now im not saying a band has to start making softer music to get big, but it seems to be the situation with most bands these days.
Mainstream? No. They just actually started writing kick ass, memorable music. With kick ass guitar playing to go with it and more interesting lyrics. I dont know why people think as soon as bands introduce some kind of melody in the guitars, they sell out and are 'mainstream'. So annoying. Give me melodic guitars over random grind riffs anyday.
"One of the only guys in the '90s to do something really great was Bill Steer from CARCASS on the Heartwork album: that playing had that magic rarely heard anymore. With every DEATH album I try to carry the torch of shredding and melodic guitar playing and I'm very proud of that."
Words from the god that is Chuck.

Wtf, have you ever heard Necroticism? or Symphonies? Both albums full of melodic riffs and alot better guitar work, Heartwork is the album that made Carcass a mainstream metal band: fact! And please dont be a Chuck fan boy, just because it was his opinion that Bill Steer was a great musician doesnt mean you have to agree with it, did you know that Michael Amott was also in Heartowkr and wrote most of the riffs? The only reason Carcass started getting more melodic was because of him. Chuck and Jeff were friends from back in the early days of both bands, im sure Chuck enjoys most of Carcass's music, but obviously hes more attracted to their more melodic album, but just because Chuck thinks its the greatest thing since sliced bread doesnt mean its true, get your own opinion next time.

I quoted Chuck because he hold's the same opinion as me about Carcass, I'm hardly a fanboy. Yes I know Michael Amott played on that album and it was probably one of the main reasons why they changed a bit.
I'm just annoyed because you're basically saying "Hey, as soon as a band starts to gain a bit more recognition in the metal scene, they are sell outs!" You seem like one of them dudes that hates everything unless it's OMGUNDERGROUNDBAND THAT ONLY 10 PEOPLE KNOW OF.
As long as something sounds good to your ear who cares aye?
You can say Heartwork is selling out or whatever, but I'm gonna say 'taking a different approach'. The sick vocals are still there, brutal riffs are there. They probably got rid of the gore lyrics because they were tired of them and they wanted to stand out in the crowd of death metal/grind bands. The tempo and drums we're slowed down, but who cares, you can still bang your head to the stuff. Also the genre Death N Roll basically was born and died with this album (maybe with the exception of Entombed - Wolverine Blues). So they basically did something noone did before and yet they are sellouts. K. Maybe if they stopped growling and stopped playing solo's I'd consider them as sellouts,
But yeah I guess it's pointless argueing because we all have different opinions dude, metal's metal. Just enjoy it. Can't believe we are here argueing about legendary bands like Carcass. If you hate some bands later albums just remember the old albums are always there waiting for you.

Death N Roll aint dead.. Six Feet Under

Iron Maiden's last three albums have been heavier than their 80s releases, and the three new Black Sabbath songs on 'The Dio Years' are heavier than any other Sabbath stuff I know well or any of Dio's solo stuff.

The way I see it, the super heavy metal liking people, after listening to it for 10 years, or playing it for 10 years, usually starting in their teenage years - tend to start to grow out of it.
I know I used t listen to a shit ton of heavier things, but nowadays it just all molds together and sounds the same and I can barely catch myself listening to, if even tolerating that stuff. Haha, I don't know, it's the same with a lot if not most people I know, they grow out of the sound.
Then again a lot of people consider "Heavy" in a different way, and to a lot of people, when you grow older then 18, 19, you stop and realize that things don't have to be "OMG SUPER HEAVY" to be "metal"..

QUOTE(Grumma @ Sep 11 2007, 07:09 AM) [snapback]392722[/snapback]I seriously hope you were joking
No, he wasn't ..In Flames changed their style from Melodic Death Metal to Metalcore because they saw all these Metalcore bands getting all famous and making money.
Even Metallica did this by changing to Grunge....Grunge & Industrial Metal sadly killed Thrash back in the 90's.
Anyway, there are very few bands that have'nt sold out at all...some examples: Overkill, Sodom, Hirax, Manowar etc..